Wasnt at all surprised when he lined up with Micah and Dutch, [–]ShrapnelNinjaSnake Uncle 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (0 children), Yeah, Dutch is like his hero. Yes, rdr2 is a prequel to 1. En 1911, es extorsionado por el agente del Bureau Edgar Ross, con el fin de que ayude a las autoridades a dar caza a los cabecillas de su antigua banda, Javier incluido. Due to the nature of Red Dead Redemption and its M-rating, M-rated language and content is allowed, within reason. I wanted to see what would happen if I appeared as an “unknown suspect”. I barely saw him at camp. NPCS don't like when you smoke in front of them, Mary-Beth may not be a gunslinger, but she sure murdered Micah here. This will be considered a serious offense and will result in a permanent ban from the subreddit. Yeah, everybody was loyal to Dutch, until they weren't. Contact the mod team if you make a mistake. I honestly can't wait to play RDR1 again so I can see that different feeling. [–]MaxPaladinAn angry and feck ugly man, but not a bad one 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (0 children). [–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 2 years ago (4 children). I get why he leaves Mexico and why he follows Dutch in the first place, but I don't understand how he can fail to see what's going down? This will be considered a serious offense and will result in a permanent ban from the subreddit. Thieves Landing in RDR2 is basically nothing, but in RDR1 its a fully working town with a saloon, a tailor, a gunsmith, a general store and even a safehouse you can buy. This was one of the reasons John ran away from the gang. I recommend playing RDR first, [–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago (0 children). Bill is understandable, he was always an angry dumbass the entire time but Javier was logical and nice the entire time, then suddenly switches into a moronic Mexican Henchman #1 out of absolutely nowhere. The turn to abusive coward is somewhat logical. PC/Console elitism is not welcome in this subreddit. [–]ManagerMrGibson 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (1 child). He especially idolized Dutch for his revolutionary ideals and became fiercely loyal to him. He allways had the leanings. I find myself wondering if something could have been done to have Javier be supportive towards Arthur and John as say... Charles and Sadie. He takes the chance to be better than Arthur and John by staying by Dutch’s side. I feel the same way. Hes a hitman for the American government.... [–]blasko_z 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children), "Now, I ain't the judge, but... as it turns out, it's you or me. Revealing spoilers of other major releases, such as TLOU2, will also not be tolerated and may result in a ban. Arthur is the most important but each character got what they needed to stand as supporting roles to one of the best characters in recent memory. Posts and comments from new users will automatically be removed. The way I see it, might as well be you. I think his inclusion was largely to give background for his appearance in RDR1. I don't see why he'd have such blind faith in Dutch at the expense of everybody else when he's spent the whole game to that point helping them out (John on the mountain, Sean with the Pinkertons), going out on the rob and fishing with Arthur and singing to them around the campfire. Javier Escuella was born in Madrid, Spain and was once a bounty hunter after arriving in Mexico.According to Colonel Allende, Javier's father was a drunk that worked on Agustin's uncle's land.Javier eventually ended up killing a powerful, gambling man in Escalera over a losing game of liar's dice. They think the kid is John's because that is most likely and the two got close, but they don't know. Javier Escuella est né à Nuevo Paraísoau Mexique. use the following search parameters to narrow your results: Daily Question and Answer Thread • FAQ • Rules and Policies Explained • Submit Online feedback to R* • Official Twitter. John was then raised in an orphanag… [–]corrawin 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children), Lol no chance we will get any single player dlc with their efforts focused on online, [–]Funkystuff27 57 points58 points59 points 2 years ago (5 children). Simple questions that can be asked or answered in a few short sentences should be submitted as a comment in the daily question thread pinned to the front page of the subreddit. Yeah, I think they wish they could ret con that javiers character was played by Micah in rdr1, and Javier dies in RDR2. may be removed at the discretion of the moderators. He says that himself on a mission. But I feel like your perspective is what the real intention of the developers was. I might just permanently play drunk after this, Moderator, speaking officially. He saw Arthur behave in opposition to that and clearly didn't see the flaws in Dutch's behavior the same way that Arthur did. If you believe a question relating to RDR will take a more detailed explanation that cannot be asked or answered in a short comment, then submitting such a question is allowed as its own post. To Javier, Arthur is the one thats done the 180 flip. [+]TH0T_PATR0L Lenny Summers comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points 2 years ago (4 children), And thats why i think we'll get a mejico dlc with him being the main protagonist, [–]hnglmkrnglbrry 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (2 children). 1 year ago. At one point, he was robbed by a \"woman\" (implied to be a cross-dresser). Yep, sometimes when I'd greet Javier around camp Arthur would say "I think you might be be the most loyal of the bunch." [–]dcmontreaux 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children). Javier, Bill, Dutch, John, Abigail. Failure to follow these rules will result in posts or comments being removed, and may result in bans, the length of which to be determined by the nature of the infraction. However, this does not mean things like insults and personal attacks are allowed. Arthur's death. I can only see Javier splitting because of how he responds to Arthur after Strauss. [–]kodee2003 Arthur Morgan 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children). All we get is a few lines about loyalty and him sulking around Beaver Hollow like a moody teenager, not speaking to Arthur. I don't know why do everyone expect some kind of development for Javier. John Marston is a fictional character in the Red Dead video game series by Rockstar Games.He is the playable protagonist of the 2010 video game Red Dead Redemption, wherein he must deal with the decline of the Wild … It works from a story perspective and I think fits from a narrative perspective. Javier was loyal to Dutch and shared the same goals. #RDR2 I imply… continuously seeing requests to do the unique gang in order that knocks off one other one… Technically twice now as we did his RDR1 variant as properly! Javier Escuella es un personaje secundario principal en ambos Red Dead Redemption juegos, pero el forajido no nació en la frontera estadounidense.Javier era originario de México, y aunque parece que tenía toda la intención de … [–]GreyMills10 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children). Arthur was just as loyal as Javier up until the events that occur in game, and stated as much. And in RDR1 he stays loyal to the OG gang by helping Bill escape to Mexico. Was he really a "main character," though? I guess all Javier sees is Dutch saving him in Guarma rather than him leaving Arthur to fend for himself when he's been kidnapped and abandoning John twice. Tags. (. So when you talk to him in chapter six he says "I dont have anything to say to you Arthur" indicating that hes just as confused by your choice as you are of his, [–]The_Nightman_82 137 points138 points139 points 2 years ago (12 children), Poorly? [–]xHouse_of_Hornetsx 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children). Javier also mentions John's daughter but in RDR2 we NEVER hear about her. I kept forgetting he existed. I mean, that's so beautiful! 100 hours in and I didn’t know this was a thing. He notably fought against Native Americans, before eventually being dishonorably discharged for deviancy and attempted murder on December 27th, 1892. Playing RDR1 after RDR2 would be so goddamn awful, because it's dated. The conversation during a social call is really the stage setting of it. Misleading titles and posts, trying to trick user into clicking your post. Había una buena razón por la que Javier Escuella de Red Dead Redemption huyó de México antes de los eventos del juego, y debería haberse quedado. All meme content will be removed on every day of the week. Guidelines for Requests -Online Requests Are Once Again Open! Bill and Javier, the two only minorly featured in RDR1 as antagonists really did get the least development, but when you look at it, they didn't really need it. But as RDR2 made it so clear, Dutch’s old gang disbanded and thats why you have to hunt them all down in RDR1. You thought the red dead one story was better? Other than seeing antagonists, or end goals, I'll see my former friends and family. They must be related by more than just the title. For me I interpreted these interactions to suggest. Maybe he'll get more development in red dead online. You can also follow the r/RedDeadRedemption account on Twitter for regular Hot and Trending posts delivered right to your feed. Don't ask us the specifics, we won't tell you. [–]Aerofluff Sadie Adler 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children). John's father died in 1881, when John was only 8 years old. Other members of the gang simply didn't have the push required to see things more clearly. Bill just doesn't like people very much and isn't good at socializing. Users who actively engage themselves in the subreddit and make the occasional self-promotional post will be approved. Link to official sources such as R*'s official website or social medias. He gets more reckless and obsessive as the story progresses, doesn't come looking for Arthur, leaves John for dead, doesn't want Arthur and Sadie rescuing him, uses Eagle Flies... Javier knew that and it seems weird he'd be cool with his "brothers" being treated that way. Memes must be submitted only on Mondays and make a genuine attempt at humor. Users who actively engage themselves in the subreddit and make the occasional self-promotional post will be approved. "Gunslingers & Bandoliers" DLC featuring your very own Javier! He's absolutely wonderful, and it makes sense that you can spare him in RDR1. I guess he doesn't really try to change others opinions of him but he's not on Micah's level, [–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 2 years ago (9 children). They say so several times in both RDR1 and RDR2 Abigail was a whore the gang picked up. It was like he was filler in both games. [–]poopdetective 6 points7 points8 points 2 years ago (8 children). The game’s vast and atmospheric world will also provide the foundation for a brand new online multiplayer experience. He was likeable in the first few chapters only to become a distant henchman in the end with an inexplicable blank gap in the middle. He takes care of those around him, he's got a huge heart, he plays a mean guitar. Williamson was a drunk and a idiot before dutches gang went sideways. Reaction type images such as "DAE", "That felling when", "When you", or similar falls under the category of a meme and maybe removed if not properly posted during the corresponding period of Meme Monday.. In-game screenshots being posted here must not be crappy cellphone pictures. © 2021 reddit inc. All rights reserved. If you removed him from the game entirely, and said Bill just crossed the border to escape the law, the story doesn't change at all. [–]Doctordarkspawn 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (3 children). That would be cool. I would have liked another interaction or two between him and Arthur before they fully turned on each other, but on the other hand, I think it was sort of intentional that they didn't get one; towards the end, Dutch started gathering his die-hard supporters (Micah, Bill, and Javier) closer, and gradually cutting Arthur out of the loop. Read RDR2 - Javier Escuella from the story Main Art Book 1 by JaneValentine007 ((El & KayKatMeow)) with 70 reads. I think Javier suffered from being an early focal point and then sort of fading into the background of those loyal to Dutch. [–]corrawin 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (0 children), I think Bill gets a bad rap honestly, yeah he's a surly bastard and isn't the sharpest tool in the camp, but everyone does tend to treat him like shit or belittle him even for the most minor accident that I can understand why he has a grudge against everyone. I think of it like this: they had a limited amount of story to build certain characters. Due to the nature of Red Dead Redemption and its M-rating, M-rated language and content is allowed, within reason. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. I think he was shown perfectly in RDR2. I feel like he was just defined by his "loyalty" the gang was important to him and Dutch's philosophy was important to him. Revealing spoilers of other major releases, such as TLOU2, will also not be tolerated and may result in a ban. drawing, boredom, fanarts. And you can never really understand why they seem to pull such a hard 180. They wouldn't have to create an entire new landscape, but just repurpose and slightly expand the Native-American region. Consider posting to. Javier. When you're found in the mountains by the Van Der Linde gang, you're immediately drawn to Javier Escuella and he to you. I mean, he's a hitman for Allende in RDR1. Him being a simple and even likeable member of a gang shows exactly how surreal it was for John to hunt his former associates. This is the tale of the 'stache. Not like Arthur or John. Javier is one of those dudes who seem like such a great guy but when the crap hits the fan you see who's side he's really on. I didn't think it was out of the blue that he continued to follow Dutch. I wanna add as well that late game Javier is pretty conflicted himself. (self.reddeadredemption). Hes working for the Mexican government how is he an outlaw? Posts and comments from new users will automatically be removed. [–]rooster1739 8 points9 points10 points 2 years ago (0 children), [–]Orto_Dogge Bill Williamson 6 points7 points8 points 2 years ago (2 children). He saw it as everyone betraying Dutch, because he was only seeing pieces of it. Red Dead Redemption 2 is an epic tale of life in America’s unforgiving heartland. He is a simple and loyal guy, the only reason you hunt him down in RDR1 is because he was a member of a gang, not because he's some kind of terrible villain. REDDIT and the ALIEN Logo are registered trademarks of reddit inc. π Rendered by PID 5123 on r2-app-0f57d0e77f2e8291c at 2021-01-07 23:32:32.753463+00:00 running 96e82f4 country code: NL. I don't understand how he can fail to see what's going down? use the following search parameters to narrow your results: Daily Question and Answer Thread • FAQ • Rules and Policies Explained • Submit Online feedback to R* • Official Twitter. Rendered by PID 22504 on r2-app-0c7fc48eab1183dbd at 2021-01-07 23:32:31.772938+00:00 running 96e82f4 country code: GB. You should look at it from Javiers point of view instead of Arthurs. Unlike Dutch and Bill, Javier isn't even part of a gang, let alone having one under his command. [–]JustYeeHaa 29 points30 points31 points 2 years ago (2 children). [–]PageGallagher15 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago (0 children), Yes not really a spoiler but the main character in the 1st one is younger in the 2nd, [–]AceofKnaves246 Arthur Morgan 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago (0 children), Probably play RDR first, but either option could work, [–]DR_D3TH Javier Escuella 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago (0 children), That's true but like one person said you're better off playing RDR before playing RDR2, [–]uncreativepng 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (0 children), [–]cleetorres024 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago (2 children), Honestly playing the second one first will make the first one pretty much unplayable, just because the graphics and mechanics are so unbelievable in RDR2. When John finally gets to Escuella, there's no … Sometimes you meet people in real life who seem like such nice people with such great potential then they do something super dishonest or stab you in the back and you're like "what the heck? [–]Black-Arab 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (1 child). And Javier would reply "What else is there?" He lived rough for the next two years or so, drinking heavily and robbing people on the highway. That one was not only a great story overall like this one, but the twist was so shocking and heart braking it will likely always remain my favorite. Unsure whether it's a story spoiler? [–]Cherylstunt 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (3 children). Even during the first mission you do with him, he's making excuses for Dutch's murder of Heidi McCourt (which, judging by the way everyone talks about it in-universe, was fucking horrific and unjustifiable) so regardless of how chill he seemed in the early chapters, there were definitely red flags. Dude spent fifteen yeeaaarrss with his head full of Dutch's bullshit from the time he was like 11 years old, and was still able to claw his way out of the outlaw life. 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